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13 August 2017 01:04 Post ID: #1547182 - in reply to #1547181
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Millwalladam - 13/8/2017 00:42

whiskylion - 12/8/2017 23:59

Millwalladam - 12/8/2017 21:50

If Archer knows he won't be able to get to the ball if it goes into that area, put a Webster or Hutchinson on the post. There is always a chance the player striking the ball will hit that area. Keepers need to use their team mates to cover all angles.

A player wanted to go on the post in the 2004 England/France Euro Championship match. Prior to Zidane's free kick. David James told the player to get lost. Zidane then scored the free kick in that exact area.

Keepers may feel they own the 6 yard box & should be the only ones either making brilliant saves or conceding in this area. However there is no harm in swallowing pride & letting someone else help you out. Managers can also instruct keepers to do this.


Keeper can't dive if defender is standing beside him. And if it is heading for the top corner, the defender can't reach it, either. Add to that he is playing the entire opposition onside, the keeper was 100% right to tell him to fuck off.



Of course Archer can still dive if a defender is covering a post.

Zidanes goal against England was only chest height. So a defender on the post would have headed it away. But David James told the defender to go & then didn't even move as the free kick hit the back of the net. You may have noticed Archer didn't move either.

The Bolton player would have about two square feet to aim at if Webster was at the post. Rather than over half the goal. Webster is 6.4 & can jump at least a foot off the ground.

Offside is not an issue with a free kick on the edge of the penalty box. The priority is stopping the ball hitting the back of the within 2 seconds of the free kick being taken. As happened agsinst England & Millwall.



Seriously, Adam. I do wonder about you sometimes.

If the defender stands on the goalline, then the opposition can put a player, even two, in front of the goalkeeper entirely blocking his view. So to say a offsde is not an issue with a free kick on the edge of the box is ridiculous beyond belief.

Also, speak to any professional keeper and ask if having a bloke on the post puts them off, and you'll get one universal answer.

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13 August 2017 07:15 Post ID: #1547187 - in reply to #1547113
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If we cannot defend a free kick where it is obvious the ball is going to be placed in only one area of the goal, then we will be conceding a lot from free kicks at this level.

This will have been noted by representatives of other clubs so expect a lot diving within shooting range of our goal from the oppo in future games.

Yes, the free kick was accurate as would be expected at a higher level, but the player telegraphed where the ball was going before it was played.

What is a worry is that Archer gets beaten a lot with shots from distance, and seems to react either too late or not at all, he seemed to react late with Forests goal last week.
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13 August 2017 08:08 Post ID: #1547190 - in reply to #1547182
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whiskylion - 13/8/2017 01:04

Millwalladam - 13/8/2017 00:42

whiskylion - 12/8/2017 23:59

Millwalladam - 12/8/2017 21:50

If Archer knows he won't be able to get to the ball if it goes into that area, put a Webster or Hutchinson on the post. There is always a chance the player striking the ball will hit that area. Keepers need to use their team mates to cover all angles.

A player wanted to go on the post in the 2004 England/France Euro Championship match. Prior to Zidane's free kick. David James told the player to get lost. Zidane then scored the free kick in that exact area.

Keepers may feel they own the 6 yard box & should be the only ones either making brilliant saves or conceding in this area. However there is no harm in swallowing pride & letting someone else help you out. Managers can also instruct keepers to do this.


Keeper can't dive if defender is standing beside him. And if it is heading for the top corner, the defender can't reach it, either. Add to that he is playing the entire opposition onside, the keeper was 100% right to tell him to fuck off.



Of course Archer can still dive if a defender is covering a post.

Zidanes goal against England was only chest height. So a defender on the post would have headed it away. But David James told the defender to go & then didn't even move as the free kick hit the back of the net. You may have noticed Archer didn't move either.

The Bolton player would have about two square feet to aim at if Webster was at the post. Rather than over half the goal. Webster is 6.4 & can jump at least a foot off the ground.

Offside is not an issue with a free kick on the edge of the penalty box. The priority is stopping the ball hitting the back of the within 2 seconds of the free kick being taken. As happened agsinst England & Millwall.



Seriously, Adam. I do wonder about you sometimes.

If the defender stands on the goalline, then the opposition can put a player, even two, in front of the goalkeeper entirely blocking his view. So to say a offsde is not an issue with a free kick on the edge of the box is ridiculous beyond belief.

Also, speak to any professional keeper and ask if having a bloke on the post puts them off, and you'll get one universal answer.



A new reason now. Rather than disagreeing with my last points.

Players attempt to block keepers all the time. At corners & crosses.

Anyway you accept that players will score from free kicks & keepers won't move. The other 10 outfield players all standing between 20 & 50 yards from the goal. Everyone then saying 'good free kick'. I would prefer a shot was blocked. By hand, head, chest or right knee.
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13 August 2017 14:45 Post ID: #1547242 - in reply to #1547113
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Look at the replay, he was on the side where the free kick went in no more than 1.5m from the post, didn't f'ing move. Should have saved and has got previous shit form with free kicks
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13 August 2017 15:01 Post ID: #1547243 - in reply to #1547113
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Look at the replay, he was on the side where the free kick went in no more than 1.5m from the post, didn't f'ing move. Should have saved and has got previous shit form with free kicks
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13 August 2017 15:03 Post ID: #1547244 - in reply to #1547113
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Unless playing a Bolton or Sheffield United last season, Archer would not be expecting the shots from the Bolton & Notts Forest players that hit the back of the net. He better get to it as those sorts of shots will be coming at him in every game.
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13 August 2017 15:08 Post ID: #1547246 - in reply to #1547187
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cold blow - 13/8/2017 07:15

If we cannot defend a free kick where it is obvious the ball is going to be placed in only one area of the goal, then we will be conceding a lot from free kicks at this level.

This will have been noted by representatives of other clubs so expect a lot diving within shooting range of our goal from the oppo in future games.

Yes, the free kick was accurate as would be expected at a higher level, but the player telegraphed where the ball was going before it was played.

What is a worry is that Archer gets beaten a lot with shots from distance, and seems to react either too late or not at all, he seemed to react late with Forests goal last week.


Goal keepers, defenders knew where Beckham or Ronaldo were going to put it and couldn't stop them. No different to yesterday. I have concerns about Archer, however Wembley alone gives him the right to start the season in goal.
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13 August 2017 16:18 Post ID: #1547254 - in reply to #1547113
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Morris is not Beckham or Ronaldo
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13 August 2017 16:19 Post ID: #1547255 - in reply to #1547113
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Morals
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13 August 2017 16:29 Post ID: #1547256 - in reply to #1547113
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Everyone except Morais, eh Guernsey!!
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13 August 2017 20:34 Post ID: #1547283 - in reply to #1547242
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Guernsey Wall - 13/8/2017 14:45

Look at the replay, he was on the side where the free kick went in no more than 1.5m from the post, didn't f'ing move. Should have saved and has got previous shit form with free kicks


Guernsey - that is exactly what i thought when i started this thread... However, having watched film of the free kick taken by Bolton fans directly behind the goal, Archer is actually right in the middle of his goal - the tv angle from the side looks like he's over towards the post but he wasn't. I can understand why he didn't move now as actually he wouldn't have got anywhere near it. Whether he was in the right position is another discussion...
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13 August 2017 20:51 Post ID: #1547288 - in reply to #1547113
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It would appear that our Mr Archer has a problem in judging shots from distance, I know its obvious but has he had his eyes tested recently, you never know a bang on the head can effect the muscles that focus the eye, causing what a camera buff might term a depth of field problem. Perhaps he's short sighted?
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13 August 2017 21:43 Post ID: #1547296 - in reply to #1547283
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King of The Jungle - 13/8/2017 20:34

Guernsey Wall - 13/8/2017 14:45

Look at the replay, he was on the side where the free kick went in no more than 1.5m from the post, didn't f'ing move. Should have saved and has got previous shit form with free kicks


Guernsey - that is exactly what i thought when i started this thread... However, having watched film of the free kick taken by Bolton fans directly behind the goal, Archer is actually right in the middle of his goal - the tv angle from the side looks like he's over towards the post but he wasn't. I can understand why he didn't move now as actually he wouldn't have got anywhere near it. Whether he was in the right position is another discussion...


Excellent, this means I'm correct, move on......... Next.
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14 August 2017 08:28 Post ID: #1547309 - in reply to #1547113
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I disagree Whisky, if the opposition put player blocking the keepers vie
w, all the defender on the post has to do is step up just before the kick is taken and the offside will be given. Further more, a defender could run back starting several yards out to cover the furthest post the keeper could stand a yard if his line to cover the dive if he's that worried about a defender being there. If a free kick is that great then a keeper diving or defender on the line wont stop it, but when its headable height, its a cheap goal to concede.
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14 August 2017 09:01 Post ID: #1547310 - in reply to #1547113
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It was going in anyway. Archer was only a meter or so nearer the other post but the ball went in before he even moved. Great free kick
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14 August 2017 09:11 Post ID: #1547312 - in reply to #1547113
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With a Cooper or Webster on the post, the only way it would not be headable is if the ball went an inch underneath the crossbar.

There has been a lot of talk on the fan cams about whether a player should have been put on the post.

Pressman has been partially blamed however Archer is a Championship keeper & it should be his decision.
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14 August 2017 09:35 Post ID: #1547315 - in reply to #1547113
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I have seen world class keepers routed to the spot watching the ball hit the back of the net. I have no worries over Archer or King. Both are good keepers and we are lucky to have them.
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