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Match Thread Sheffield Wednesday v Millwall
30 October 2017 15:45 Post ID: #1559029
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30 October 2017 17:52 Post ID: #1559041 - in reply to #1559029
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Interesting previous meetings...

The first time Millwall met Sheffield Wednesday was way back in 1892, when the 'Dockers', as we were known back then, invited both them and Sheffield United to the Isle of Dogs for some exhibition games. Millwall gave a good account of themselves against the soon to be Football League sides, losing 2-0 to United and 5-2 to Wednesday. Wednesday had just thrashed Arsenal 8-0.

The first official meeting between Millwall and Sheffield Wednesday was in the FA Cup of 1906. Millwall travelled to Hillsborough and gained a very impressive 1-1 draw in front of 21,511, against a team that would finish 3rd in the First Division that season. It should have been a 1-0 win, but our keeper at the time, Joyce, made a blunder when he allowed the ball to sail over his head into the net, thinking it was going over the bar! The reply at Millwall's North Greenwich ground, on the Island, saw a crush as thousands came to see if Millwall could go on another famous cup run, having made the FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 and 1903. The ground was believed to be able to hold 30,000, but it became dangerous with only two thirds of that inside and so many missed out. The 'Blades' as Wednesday were nicknamed then, won 3-0 and there was to be no upset.

The two sides did not meet for another 33 years! When they did Millwall had moved to New Cross and 37,585 were at The Den to see the 'Lions' run out 2-0 winners in a Division Two fixture.

Perhaps the best games between the two came in 1990-91 season. Both Millwall & Wednesday were chasing promotion to the First Division, both having just been relegated. But the Lions were 2-0 down after just 16 minutes at The Den. However, two goals in four minutes meant Millwall were level just past the hour. But the Lions left it late to secure the win, with Allen and Rae grabbing two goals in the last two minutes to settle the match 4-2.

Then the two clubs were drawn together in the 4th Round of the FA Cup that same season. It was another classic, with Millwall taking the lead through Paul Stephenson after just one minute. Yet Hirst and Francis, Wednesday's two danger men, made it 2-1 Wednesday on half an hour. Just before half-time Rae equalised for Millwall. But Wednesday took the lead again, but good old Teddy Sheringham was on hand to make it 3-3 with 21 minutes still to go. Anderson must have felt he had won it for the 'Owls' with a late goal to make it 4-3, but up popped Alex Rae in the last minute to make it 4-4 and send the game to a replay at Hillsborough. This was not as exciting (how could it be?) and Wednesday ran out 2-0 winners, but got thumped 4-0 by Cambridge United in the next round. The team from the steel city did win the League Cup that season, as well as go up in 3rd. Millwall lost in the play-offs to Brighton!

The most controversial game between the two was when referee Steve Tanner ruled out what looked a perfectly good goal from a Tony Craig corner, only to allow Wednesday to race up the pitch and score, whilst most of the Millwall players were still celebrating. Tanner gave no signal that the goal was ruled out, simply allowing the Wednesday keeper to pass the ball out, after picking it out of the net. Care-taker manager, David Tuttle (christ!) said: "We've got to blame ourselves for conceding. We are all disappointed but we are not going to blame anyone for what has happened." A truly awful period in the club's modern history. We were relegated that season and for a while looked like going into free fall. Thankfully Kenny Jackett turned up!

Highlights from that 4-4 game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phthYVXR6BE




Edited by Moody 30/10/2017 17:58
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30 October 2017 18:06 Post ID: #1559042 - in reply to #1559029
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Actually, Moody, Tanner pointed to the centre circle indicating a goal before allowing Wednesday to run upfield unchallenged...

I had watched him carefully and remember the incident as though it was yesterday. Singularly the worst refereeing moment I have seen in over 50 years. He should have been struck off from refereeing at that level again.
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30 October 2017 18:11 Post ID: #1559043 - in reply to #1559041
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Moody - 30/10/2017 17:52

Interesting previous meetings...

The first time Millwall met Sheffield Wednesday was way back in 1892, when the 'Dockers', as we were known back then, invited both them and Sheffield United to the Isle of Dogs for some exhibition games. Millwall gave a good account of themselves against the soon to be Football League sides, losing 2-0 to United and 5-2 to Wednesday. Wednesday had just thrashed Arsenal 8-0.

The first official meeting between Millwall and Sheffield Wednesday was in the FA Cup of 1906. Millwall travelled to Hillsborough and gained a very impressive 1-1 draw in front of 21,511, against a team that would finish 3rd in the First Division that season. It should have been a 1-0 win, but our keeper at the time, Joyce, made a blunder when he allowed the ball to sail over his head into the net, thinking it was going over the bar! The reply at Millwall's North Greenwich ground, on the Island, saw a crush as thousands came to see if Millwall could go on another famous cup run, having made the FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 and 1903. The ground was believed to be able to hold 30,000, but it became dangerous with only two thirds of that inside and so many missed out. The 'Blades' as Wednesday were nicknamed then, won 3-0 and there was to be no upset.

The two sides did not meet for another 33 years! When they did Millwall had moved to New Cross and 37,585 were at The Den to see the 'Lions' run out 2-0 winners in a Division Two fixture.

Perhaps the best games between the two came in 1990-91 season. Both Millwall & Wednesday were chasing promotion to the First Division, both having just been relegated. But the Lions were 2-0 down after just 16 minutes at The Den. However, two goals in four minutes meant Millwall were level just past the hour. But the Lions left it late to secure the win, with Allen and Rae grabbing two goals in the last two minutes to settle the match 4-2.

Then the two clubs were drawn together in the 4th Round of the FA Cup that same season. It was another classic, with Millwall taking the lead through Paul Stephenson after just one minute. Yet Hirst and Francis, Wednesday's two danger men, made it 2-1 Wednesday on half an hour. Just before half-time Rae equalised for Millwall. But Wednesday took the lead again, but good old Teddy Sheringham was on hand to make it 3-3 with 21 minutes still to go. Anderson must have felt he had won it for the 'Owls' with a late goal to make it 4-3, but up popped Alex Rae in the last minute to make it 4-4 and send the game to a replay at Hillsborough. This was not as exciting (how could it be?) and Wednesday ran out 2-0 winners, but got thumped 4-0 by Cambridge United in the next round. The team from the steel city did win the League Cup that season, as well as go up in 3rd. Millwall lost in the play-offs to Brighton!

The most controversial game between the two was when referee Steve Tanner ruled out what looked a perfectly good goal from a Tony Craig corner, only to allow Wednesday to race up the pitch and score, whilst most of the Millwall players were still celebrating. Tanner gave no signal that the goal was ruled out, simply allowing the Wednesday keeper to pass the ball out, after picking it out of the net. Care-taker manager, David Tuttle (christ!) said: "We've got to blame ourselves for conceding. We are all disappointed but we are not going to blame anyone for what has happened." A truly awful period in the club's modern history. We were relegated that season and for a while looked like going into free fall. Thankfully Kenny Jackett turned up!

Highlights from that 4-4 game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phthYVXR6BE




I thought Sheffield United, not Wednesday, were known as The Blades?

Oh well, you live and learn.

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30 October 2017 18:17 Post ID: #1559044 - in reply to #1559043
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They are. But not then: it was Wednesday. Moody is 100% correct.
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30 October 2017 18:32 Post ID: #1559046 - in reply to #1559042
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whiskylion - 30/10/2017 18:06

Actually, Moody, Tanner pointed to the centre circle indicating a goal before allowing Wednesday to run upfield unchallenged...

I had watched him carefully and remember the incident as though it was yesterday. Singularly the worst refereeing moment I have seen in over 50 years. He should have been struck off from refereeing at that level again.


At least that's something. All I can remember is the ball going in and then next second their keeper simply playing on. Did he use his whistle? As it seemed like the match just carried - hence why our players were still celebrating, while Wednesday ran the length of the pitch to score.
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30 October 2017 19:58 Post ID: #1559048 - in reply to #1559029
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I was 9/10 years old in 90/91 and those 2 Wednesday games are the ones that stick in the memory, they were both cracking games and great comebacks! Thanks for the link to the video's Moody - you'll never beat the old den - loved it!
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30 October 2017 21:06 Post ID: #1559053 - in reply to #1559029
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Remember the 1990/91 game well... we went in the Ilderton and a certain friend of mine decided to climb the fence and jump in the away end when we went 3-2 (I think) and started wading in to their supporters... in came a police horse which trod on my foot in the carnage that pursued... couldn't walk for a week after...
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31 October 2017 05:21 Post ID: #1559080 - in reply to #1559029
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That's what comes of trying to have sex with a horse Tel !
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31 October 2017 09:05 Post ID: #1559091 - in reply to #1559029
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If you look at our away fixtures so far this season...

Nottingham Forest (0-1)
Bristol City (0-0)
Wolves (0-1)
QPR (2-2)
Preston North End (0-0)
Brentford (0-1)
Cardiff City (0-0)

...you could argue that Sheffield Wednesday looks the easiest on paper thus far. Not that I am saying they are a poor side, more that, unlike those above, they are a side out of form and look to be suffering a bit of a hang-over. There are rumblings about the manager and Hillsborough will be over half empty tonight and rather subdued I would imagine.

We have gone to places like Wolves, Preston & Cardiff with the intention of being hard to beat, quite rightly imo too - especially when you remember we got valuable draws and only conceded one goal in those games (playing with 10 men at Molineux for most of 2nd half).

I know we are missing Williams in the middle, but I really think if we go with the mind-set we did at Forest and QPR (plus second half v Brentford) we have our best chance of getting that first away win yet. Harris and the players deserve that - as the stat 'Millwall have not won an away game this season yet' really does not reflect some of the quality in those displays.

We looked really solid and strong at places like Preston, Wolves, Bristol City and Cardiff; and tore Forest and QPR apart! I have never read so many posters on an opposition's forum agree that we were by miles the better side as I did on Forest and QPR's - and football messageboards are always (understandably) partisan.








Edited by Moody 31/10/2017 09:07
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31 October 2017 09:20 Post ID: #1559093 - in reply to #1559029
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would like some adventure shown -

archer
Romeo hutch Meredith
Thompson Savile tunnicliffe ferguson
fred eliot aob

have a go and entertain the committed who are making that journey tonight and keep legs fresh for what might turn out to be a 6 pointer come the end of the season
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31 October 2017 09:46 Post ID: #1559097 - in reply to #1559093
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liontime - 31/10/2017 09:20

would like some adventure shown -

archer
Romeo hutch Meredith
Thompson Savile tunnicliffe ferguson
fred eliot aob

have a go and entertain the committed who are making that journey tonight and keep legs fresh for what might turn out to be a 6 pointer come the end of the season



Fred and AOB on the pitch at the same time - away from home....?

Mate, it's hard enough with eleven men...


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31 October 2017 09:52 Post ID: #1559099 - in reply to #1559097
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whiskylion - 31/10/2017 09:46

liontime - 31/10/2017 09:20

would like some adventure shown -

archer
Romeo hutch Meredith
Thompson Savile tunnicliffe ferguson
fred eliot aob

have a go and entertain the committed who are making that journey tonight and keep legs fresh for what might turn out to be a 6 pointer come the end of the season



Fred and AOB on the pitch at the same time - away from home....?

Mate, it's hard enough with eleven men...




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31 October 2017 12:16 Post ID: #1559123 - in reply to #1559093
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liontime - 31/10/2017 09:20

would like some adventure shown -

archer
Romeo hutch Meredith
Thompson Savile tunnicliffe ferguson
fred eliot aob

have a go and entertain the committed who are making that journey tonight and keep legs fresh for what might turn out to be a 6 pointer come the end of the season
I am with you change it up rest a few but that won't happen but i fancy us for all three points tonight not going so hope i can get a stream for the game Come On You LIONS
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31 October 2017 12:38 Post ID: #1559128 - in reply to #1559029
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I do miss the old silverback's team selection. He won't change
a team that's picking up points. Be careful what you wish for !
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31 October 2017 16:13 Post ID: #1559161 - in reply to #1559029
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This game will be tougher than some on here think.
They're not a really bad team, just having a rough spell, as we do, a bnd will bounce back when least expected.
Hope I'm wrong but can't see us coming away with any points.
If Steve plays I'll have a few quid on him to score though.
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31 October 2017 18:23 Post ID: #1559172 - in reply to #1559161
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unit4 - 31/10/2017 16:13

This game will be tougher than some on here think.
They're not a really bad team, just having a rough spell, as we do, a bnd will bounce back when least expected.
Hope I'm wrong but can't see us coming away with any points.
If Steve plays I'll have a few quid on him to score though.


No-one is saying it will be easy.

Rather, it would be nice to see us go for the approach we took at Forest and QPR, as opposed to (rightly imo) being happy to just be solid against the likes of Preston, Wolves and Cardiff away.

As said, not because Wednesday are poor, but because they are under a bit of pressure at the moment. Did you go to Forest or QPR? Because we absolutely ripped them apart with excellent, aggressive football. That's all I am saying...if we smell blood, let's be a bit more aggressive again.

However, Williams is a big miss. He was the one getting us really ticking in those games.

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