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Just back Hillsborough
01 November 2017 11:24 Post ID: #1559287 - in reply to #1559275
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Axholme Lion - 1/11/2017 09:51

To be honest i didn't think they were anything special and it was a point lost we should have won.
On another note i have never known 23,000 people be so quiet.


When I lived in Sheffield I used to sometimes pop along to Wednesday and United.

Wednesday were always very docile, even in exciting games. Hillsborough had a kind of continental feel about it, vast stadium, always half empty and a band playing. Very laid back.

Whereas Bramall Lane was always quite lively. In fact I saw it kick-off quite a few times, memorably v West Brom.

I think it is to do with the demographics - back when I lived in Sheffield, Wednesday fans seemed to be from the suburbs (Hillsborough is in the suburbs after all) and from all the towns and villages around South Yorkshire. Whereas United fans seemed to be mostly from the city neighbourhoods, places like Sharrow and Heeley.

They are a bit like us and Palace in that sense - seem close in geography terms, but not in demographic terms.
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01 November 2017 11:29 Post ID: #1559288 - in reply to #1559239
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Well said Whisky
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01 November 2017 11:40 Post ID: #1559290 - in reply to #1559239
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I've got to agree with Whisky unless more evidence proves otherwise.
Only one more game and there's an international break (I think)
Surely Morison & Gregory can have a rest that week? (& AOB is very unlikely to play for the Republic)
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01 November 2017 11:46 Post ID: #1559293 - in reply to #1559280
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Malbec with chicken - never
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01 November 2017 11:47 Post ID: #1559295 - in reply to #1559293
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heh-now - 1/11/2017 11:46

Malbec with chicken - never


In Yorkshire, yes.

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01 November 2017 11:49 Post ID: #1559296 - in reply to #1559239
Hillsborough is a strange stadium always looks old, empty and soulless.
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01 November 2017 12:09 Post ID: #1559302 - in reply to #1559296
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waterloowacker - 1/11/2017 11:49

Hillsborough is a strange stadium always looks old, empty and soulless.


That's because it's old, empty and soulless.

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01 November 2017 12:15 Post ID: #1559304 - in reply to #1559302
ParisWall - 1/11/2017 12:09

waterloowacker - 1/11/2017 11:49

Hillsborough is a strange stadium always looks old, empty and soulless.


That's because it's old, empty and soulless.

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01 November 2017 13:04 Post ID: #1559310 - in reply to #1559239
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I would never describe Hillsborough as soulless.

It has plenty of soul. It oozes character and charisma.

It's just that it would be better suited to a more partisan set of fans - Leeds, Stoke, Sunderland and Newcastle fans could fill it more and get it rocking.

Wednesday are the sort of support that would be better suited to the type of stadium Leicester City, Derby County and Southampton have. A nice bowl for 30,000 or so fans, with a singing section.

But given the fact that they been shit for the last two decades, Hillsborough is the last interesting thing they have going for them! Move from there and they become just another mid-sized, provincial Championship club.
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01 November 2017 13:35 Post ID: #1559319 - in reply to #1559239
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Thought last night was very dissapointing and could've been a lot heavier defeat without Archer again playing very well...... Good goal from Elliot and a couple of flashes of excellence from Fred , but Gregory and Morison should start in my view..... Stupid sending off from Cooper , gave ref no choice.......horrible drive home as well and only 3 hours kip before work today. Hate midweek away games.
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01 November 2017 14:19 Post ID: #1559322 - in reply to #1559239
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Now i've had time to properly reflect on the game i would say Archer was our man of the match and Elliott was our outfield man of the match, some of his flick ons in the first half were brilliant and he made a nuisance of himself with their defenders.
For saturday i would go with Elliott and Gregory to start bringing Morison on after about an hour when Elliott starts tireing. Fred was good in the first half but sluggish in the second, can do a Gregory type role so is a good back up for him.
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01 November 2017 15:07 Post ID: #1559335 - in reply to #1559286
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whiskylion - 1/11/2017 11:19

Bexleyheath_lion - 1/11/2017 08:35

Cheers Ringo.

Hardly wasted Whisky, its shown we do have forward that actually knows where the net thingy is. Two goals for Elliott in what equates to a total of maybe 2 games of football. Perhaps trying him with either Morison or Gregory and then having the other of the bench might be an idea. Regardless, Fred is not a forward, AOB isn't either really, Morison and Elliott are similar, ie target men although both have different attributes and Gregory for all is workmanship and guile has never been and never will be a natural finisher and wont score too many goals at this level. So we need a quick forward that can make the runs in behind.

Seems to me if we could mutate Freds pace, with Gregs guile and knack for getting into scoring chances and add in AOBs finishing, we'd have a £20m forward on our hands.



Totally see and understand your points, Bex.

But the thing is this: a goal not conceded is equal to one scored. And the way Millwall have been set up away from The Den under Harris this season we are a very tight unit with Morison and Gregory the front two defenders, as well as forwards.

It has worked brilliantly: as I have pointed out elsewhere Millwall have conceded away from home only TWICE all season when both Moro and Gregs are on the pitch - that is not just a coincidence.

One of the Cardiff coaching staff said to me after the game on Saturday that he felt a bit sorry for Gregory as he lost his defender about 15 times in the game (against the side with the best defensive record in the Championship) yet received a pass only once.

So, as I have long suspected, the goals will come from the front two when Millwall learn to mix their play up a bit better and play the through ball from ten yards rather than 25 and 35.

The moment you change personnel there is no way they will be as disciplined as our regular pairing. So, yes, they might get the odd goal here and there. But what is the point if, as a unit, we are weakened and concede two a game?

I know I keep referring to season 75/76. But i think it is worth re-visiting that season. Gordon Jago set up exactly the same system as NH has now.

In the run in at the end of the season with us chasing promotion in seven games - home and away - we scored three and conceded none. Away from him we battled out consecutive 0-0 draws at fellow promotion rivals Cardiff City, Hereford Utd and Crystal Palace. And we got promoted with our joint top scorer Gordon Hill on eight goals - and who had left us in early November...

Indeed, during that run in five games we chalked up four goal-less draws and a 1-0 win - courtesy of a Jon Moore goal...yes, a full back. The forwards were working far too hard making sure the opposition couldn't hurt us than to make loads of chances.

What Jago did then, as NH has done now, is fashion a side with a thou shalt not pass attitude.

I have seen this before and admire the fact that NH is doing it again today. That Gregory and Morison are not scoring many isn't bothering me: we are second top scorers at home! And until last night we had the best away defensive record in the Championship.

For me, you stick with these two lads. But you work far harder at getting quality balls through to them. The finishing of a striker who gets three decent chances in a game is a whole lot better than one living off his nerves because he know's he's going to get a half-chance at best.

And, as I say, what is the point of scoring one goal if you are more than likely going to concede two...?



We've picked up four points from 8 games away from home, scoring 3 goals in the process. That means even keeping things tight, we are only averaging 0.5 points a game away from home, that would yield 12 points (I've even rounded that up) all season.

That means we have 13 points from 7 home games, which would yield 43 home points over the season, that puts us on 54 points, and in a relegation battle that could see us drop

Whats more concerning is, that is with us playing well and being unlucky, a bad patch could really be bad news. So I'd rather we showed a bit more intent and won 1 in 3 away from home, that would double our points tally away from home and may increase confidence in the forwards. A forwards job is to score goals, not work hard and defend from the front, although if he does both great.
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01 November 2017 16:01 Post ID: #1559340 - in reply to #1559239
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I'm not too disappointed by losing by the smallest margin away from home last night. I'm more concerned about us losing the services of Jake Cooper for two games. Who will be filling his boots in the team? Probably Tony Craig but maybe Mbulu or Rooney might get the nod against Burton, who are not too potent in front of goal at the minute.
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01 November 2017 17:45 Post ID: #1559348 - in reply to #1559340
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CrawLion - 1/11/2017 16:01

I'm more concerned about us losing the services of Jake Cooper for two games.


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01 November 2017 21:41 Post ID: #1559369 - in reply to #1559239
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Well done, Moody.
You have halved his worries at a stroke!!!
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01 November 2017 22:12 Post ID: #1559375 - in reply to #1559239
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Just watched Sky highlights.

Looks like the 1st goal was created by an overlapping player who should have been picked up by Wallace. A weakness we've had all season. Not sure how having Gregory and Morison on the pitch would have prevented this one.

Their 2nd goal was a near post header from a corner. Several Millwall players close to the ball and the goal should have been prevented. Near post protection is normally assigned to Morison who does it well, so if he was on the pitch it's possible he would have cleared the ball.

Thought Elliott took his goal well and in 13 minutes managed to equal Morison's and Gregory's combined open play tally for the season!

Elliott has had decent feedback from fellow MOers at the game and I think he's done well during his cameo appearances this season. Certainly some defences have struggled to cope with his physical presence. BBC text suggested Fred didn't play too badly, but perhaps there's some mileage in the suggestion put forward earlier of starting with Elliott and Gregory.

Cooper's 2nd booking was stupid and thoughtless play on his behalf. Let's hope TC is up to the job against Burton.



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01 November 2017 23:32 Post ID: #1559377 - in reply to #1559375
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PurleyLion - 1/11/2017 22:12

Just watched Sky highlights.

Looks like the 1st goal was created by an overlapping player who should have been picked up by Wallace. A weakness we've had all season. Not sure how having Gregory and Morison on the pitch would have prevented this one.


Because maybe Gregory and/or Morison would have prevented the ball getting to the overlapping player in the first place...
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