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Our worst result.....
05 November 2017 00:36 Post ID: #1559816 - in reply to #1559773
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We seem to lose our "Bread and butter" games.... which leaves us struggling. Not sure why we do, maybe the team get complacent with relegation fodder?
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05 November 2017 05:35 Post ID: #1559819 - in reply to #1559773
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I think perhaps a team fighting for its life, tend to do exactly that, even a clueless fuck like Holloway got results. That's the game of football.
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05 November 2017 08:49 Post ID: #1559822 - in reply to #1559783
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igor_belgrade - 4/11/2017 20:44
.WHERE THE FUCK BOLLOX WANISHED . GROW SOME BALLS


This must be a banner that hangs around the Den, and mòst importantly in the players dressing room. Whatever it means, it looks fucking angry.

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05 November 2017 13:20 Post ID: #1559834 - in reply to #1559773
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Harris should ask himself these questions...

Why does Ferguson, the best crosser in the squad, not start if we insist on playing direct football?

Why do we not play Harry Smith and O'Brien up front, if we insist on playing direct football?

The answers are because Gregory and Morison are better players than Smith & O'Brien, and Harris prefers O'Brien's goal threat to Ferguson's crossing ability.

So, why insist on playing direct football for 90 minutes?
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05 November 2017 13:32 Post ID: #1559836 - in reply to #1559773
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As an aside, I'm not as pessimistic as some.

Look at our home results:

When we have played big clubs / clubs we have needle with, we have played well & won;

Norwich City (4-0), Leeds United (1-0) and Birmingham City (2-0).

When we have played nothing / small clubs, we have struggled;

Reading (2-1 just), Ipswich (3-4), Bolton (1-1), Barnsley (1-3), Burton Albion (0-1).

I reckon this pattern will continue throughout the season!




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05 November 2017 13:35 Post ID: #1559837 - in reply to #1559773
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the problem comes moody when teams sit back like yesterday and we have to find short , quick passes to open them up

the players cant do it because there isn't a system that they practice - they make it up as they go along and are all on the wrong wavelengths - some of the attempted interplay between greory, eliot and fred towards the end was hopeless - there is no anticipation of the ball to be played - they make their movements after the ball has been played because they don't know where it is going to go , into feet or into a channel or over the top - they are so used to scrapping for 2nd balls that they cant develop any passing game - it is all reactive and therefore slow and easy to defend against even for a team like Burton - it is not like we don't know this - this happened on countless occasions last year , yet Harris has done nothing to improve it. Let's say we do stay up , what then? Are we seriously going to keep playing like this ?
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05 November 2017 14:05 Post ID: #1559839 - in reply to #1559773
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hope you are right moody about the pattern, but .....

good teams do not drop their quality against lower sides - that is why they are successful/champions

this is a mentality/culture that comes from the top - Harris speaks a lot about it, but being generous to him, I would say he hasn't found the players who can do it.

As soon as we stop this 'millwall type' bollox and recruit better footballers and build a style around them the sooner we will become more consistent and make progress on the pitch
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05 November 2017 14:12 Post ID: #1559840 - in reply to #1559839
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liontime - 5/11/2017 14:05

hope you are right moody about the pattern, but .....

good teams do not drop their quality against lower sides - that is why they are successful/champions

this is a mentality/culture that comes from the top - Harris speaks a lot about it, but being generous to him, I would say he hasn't found the players who can do it.

As soon as we stop this 'millwall type' bollox and recruit better footballers and build a style around them the sooner we will become more consistent and make progress on the pitch


I think it's more that the bigger clubs come to Millwall and try to win. Our players and fans are more up for it. And this means we have a better chance of winning with the style we play.

Burton, Bolton and Barnsley all set out not to lose first and foremost, and we really struggled to negate this - for reasons you pointed out.

Would it had made more sense to play Elliot & Fred up front v Burton and Morison and Gregory v Wednesday?

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05 November 2017 14:20 Post ID: #1559841 - in reply to #1559773
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It's just like watching England................
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05 November 2017 15:21 Post ID: #1559848 - in reply to #1559773
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monkeymfc - 4/11/2017 20:18

this season, and maybe for a couple of seasons. A six pointer against a club who are going down. But there's a pattern: lose at home to Barnsley, then away to Brentford, both relegation rivals. We are incapable of winning the crucial games because we do not have a decent striker at this level. At the moment we are living in a fool's paradise - because Sun'lan will most likely get out of the bottom three and so will Brum. Even Bolton possess the wherewithal. You would suspect bottom three before Christmas and bottom by March. Unless we can score. This is not the Hater's Arms re-opening. I think Harris has done a good job - an excellent job last year. But not this year.

Unless we just accept that we can't cut it at this level, given our lack of cash. Except that our opponents today have much less money than us. So do Barnsley. So do Brentford.............

we need a forward. A Dichio, a Claridge, a Dublin. Nowt special. Just one of them.


written using the Haters Arms free wifi code, i take it. i know the pub trade is struggling, but by Gary opening hte haters arms this early he really is taking the piss. I heard that it was standing room only last night and the buffet was cleared by 8pm
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05 November 2017 15:22 Post ID: #1559849 - in reply to #1559776
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Wippa - 4/11/2017 20:26

Thought exactly that today. We need a big gangely centre forward. A right awkward fucker, all elbows and clumsy but direct.


like elliot, you mean? we have three strickers at the moment, but two of them are playing a bit toilet.
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05 November 2017 15:24 Post ID: #1559850 - in reply to #1559783
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.WHERE THE FUCK BOLLOX WANISHED . GROW SOME BALLS




all power to the Bolsheviks
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05 November 2017 15:25 Post ID: #1559851 - in reply to #1559790
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bazzwall - 4/11/2017 20:53

Here's the problem, last season we beat 3 premier teams as well as the notable victory at Wembley. This season already some good point scoring games, Leeds, Norwich etc. All archieved playing a similar style of play albeit with some improvement in quality footballers this term. Harris has made the style work with what he has at his dispose and it works, but not all the time. If the opposition set up and so call park the bus we cannot deal with that tactic, the set up midfield and front pairing cannot score goals and make the openings. If we use wing backs the centre defence becomes exposed.
I think the problem is midfield where where we have no guile and forceful forward play.


still unsure as to how we raped, tortured, ruined and destroyed leeds (should have been 7 nil)
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05 November 2017 15:27 Post ID: #1559852 - in reply to #1559814
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Froada - 4/11/2017 23:23

Spoke to some Burton officials. They said that Nigel Clough is a clever manager. Was always going to put out a strong big defensive unit, to nullify the arial threat. He did, and we didn't change or do anything about it. Just kept hitting it long onto their heads. I'm fking thoroughly pissed off with that performance.


it was a good performance by htem in some regards. the size of their team was annoying, each player seeming to tower above us. still we sent the ball long at almost any given opportunity
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05 November 2017 15:30 Post ID: #1559853 - in reply to #1559837
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liontime - 5/11/2017 13:35

the problem comes moody when teams sit back like yesterday and we have to find short , quick passes to open them up

the players cant do it because there isn't a system that they practice - they make it up as they go along and are all on the wrong wavelengths - some of the attempted interplay between greory, eliot and fred towards the end was hopeless - there is no anticipation of the ball to be played - they make their movements after the ball has been played because they don't know where it is going to go , into feet or into a channel or over the top - they are so used to scrapping for 2nd balls that they cant develop any passing game - it is all reactive and therefore slow and easy to defend against even for a team like Burton - it is not like we don't know this - this happened on countless occasions last year , yet Harris has done nothing to improve it. Let's say we do stay up , what then? Are we seriously going to keep playing like this ?


good analysis. says clear what i have been thinking. we are a second ball team.
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05 November 2017 18:46 Post ID: #1559859 - in reply to #1559773
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They still play like a non league team and we couldn't break them down.
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05 November 2017 21:39 Post ID: #1559869 - in reply to #1559837
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liontime - 5/11/2017 13:35

the problem comes moody when teams sit back like yesterday and we have to find short , quick passes to open them up

the players cant do it because there isn't a system that they practice - they make it up as they go along and are all on the wrong wavelengths - some of the attempted interplay between greory, eliot and fred towards the end was hopeless - there is no anticipation of the ball to be played - they make their movements after the ball has been played because they don't know where it is going to go , into feet or into a channel or over the top - they are so used to scrapping for 2nd balls that they cant develop any passing game - it is all reactive and therefore slow and easy to defend against even for a team like Burton - it is not like we don't know this - this happened on countless occasions last year , yet Harris has done nothing to improve it. Let's say we do stay up , what then? Are we seriously going to keep playing like this ?


Agree. The way Neil has us playing is high tempo and pressing, unfortunately a byproduct of this approach is that everything is rushed, consequently no composure on the ball. Neither Morison or Gregory come short to recent the ball to feet to layoff. How often do we use the most effective move in football - the one/two? Very rarely and normally it's Wallace and McLaughlin. I'm not a great fan of AOB, but yesterday he was unlucky in that he anticipated Wallace's shot and moved in advance but failed to convert his finish. He's the only striker that attacks dangerous areas but he's a liability everywhere else on the pitch.

One of the reasons we do well against "good" teams is they come expecting/trying to win the game and give us the space to hurt them on the break or at the back. Teams that come for a point and hoping for 3 sit back and we simply don't have the guile or composure to unlock them.

For me their have only 2 players this season who have shown composure on the ball - my man Williams and McLaughlin. With Williams out McLaughlin is trying to do more and more and things more ambitious than he should, yesterday being a prime example, and in the process has been caught out.

IMO, Neil needs to work on a different more controlled approach that gives the players time pass their way through teams but I doubt that will be done. We just need to hope that more teams come to win at The Den giving us more space to make things happen and cross our fingers they don't score 1st/ take the lead.

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