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Red card appeal
08 November 2017 21:14 Post ID: #1560047 - in reply to #1559923
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As a retired Ref I know how easy it is to blow too quickly and not take time to fully consider your decision, which is what I believe happened on Saturday. Based on my dealings with Ref's, they aren't prone to admitting they've got it wrong and don't speak to me about panels. So I'm not surprised the appeal was rejected.

For the appeals process to be credible I think the panel should comprise a mixture of ex-players and retired Refs. That way we should get a more balanced view than a group of administrators would give.

One other point, in law the accused is innocent until proved guilty but at the FA it's the other way round.
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08 November 2017 21:32 Post ID: #1560052 - in reply to #1559923
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Look up Rich Cawley from SLP's comparison of Jeds and Lansburys red cards on twitter. Absolutely inconsistent.
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08 November 2017 21:47 Post ID: #1560054 - in reply to #1559923
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Thanks KOJ. The link below should do the trick. Fuck me, on that evidence, we should appeal the appeal...

https://twitter.com/richcawleyslp?lang=en
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08 November 2017 22:13 Post ID: #1560057 - in reply to #1559923
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Frankly it's a disgrace and it is about time Millwall stopped appeasing the FA and come out openly criticising referees for their incompetence and dare I say it corruption.
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08 November 2017 22:25 Post ID: #1560058 - in reply to #1560054
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whiskylion - 8/11/2017 21:47

Thanks KOJ. The link below should do the trick. Fuck me, on that evidence, we should appeal the appeal...

https://twitter.com/richcawleyslp?lang=en


Nice one whisky.
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09 November 2017 08:29 Post ID: #1560067 - in reply to #1559923
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Purley as a current ref, I quite often admit when I make a mistake and have written so in my reports, the county FA still hand out the punishment akin to the offence, rightly or wrongly. If I could see a DVD of my games, like the professionals do, every single decision is assessed analysed and then sent to an independent panel to mark the referee accordingly. The trouble is the laws of the game are quite ambiguous - and therefore it does become difficult to overturn a referee decision.
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09 November 2017 08:31 Post ID: #1560068 - in reply to #1559923
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Steve Kavanagh (this man seems to be doing great things at our club) is seeking a meeting with the FA & PGMOL regarding these absurd decisions that we keep getting against us and why they aren't overturned.

It'll probably be like chatting to a brick wall, but least the man is trying to stick up for us, breath of fresh air.
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09 November 2017 09:52 Post ID: #1560072 - in reply to #1559923
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I haven't watched the insufferably smug and self-satisfied Question of Sport in decades. But if it is still going and they retain in a David Coleman voice the "errr, what happened next?" slot, after showing the two sending offs no-one in a million years will guess the actual polar-opposite outcomes.

Good luck Steve Kavanagh. This film will speak far more eloquently than any £5,000-a-day barrister.
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09 November 2017 10:48 Post ID: #1560079 - in reply to #1559923
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Steve Kavanagh will be joining Jim White on his talk sport show today to talk about Millwall’s unsuccesful appeal and subsequent statement. Listen to talkSPORT from midday
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09 November 2017 12:09 Post ID: #1560090 - in reply to #1560047
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PurleyLion - 8/11/2017 21:14

As a retired Ref I know how easy it is to blow too quickly and not take time to fully consider your decision, which is what I believe happened on Saturday. Based on my dealings with Ref's, they aren't prone to admitting they've got it wrong and don't speak to me about panels. So I'm not surprised the appeal was rejected.

For the appeals process to be credible I think the panel should comprise a mixture of ex-players and retired Refs. That way we should get a more balanced view than a group of administrators would give.

One other point, in law the accused is innocent until proved guilty but at the FA it's the other way round. :sadno:


Refs are unlikely to admit they wrong. Unless they are trying to save their skin.

Robbie Keane pushed a player after being fouled in a Premiership game. This should have been an instant dismissal, but wasn't. The ref admitted he was wrong but it was too late & he was demoted to the Championship.

In the Wallace case the ref will attempt to justify his instant decision. TV replays may show a red was a bit harsh, but to totally overturn it ? Besides which everyone agrees it was a certain yellow.
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09 November 2017 13:25 Post ID: #1560101 - in reply to #1559923
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We might be doing the rest of football a favour with our call for a
shake-up of the appeal process.
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09 November 2017 13:47 Post ID: #1560107 - in reply to #1559923
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Steve Kavanagh on Talksport, worth a listen. Top bloke.

https://soundcloud.com/user-592074885/steve-kavanagh
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09 November 2017 14:05 Post ID: #1560110 - in reply to #1559923
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Can Wallaces card be down graded to a yellow. Or is it a case of it being completly overturned or nothing at all ?

It would be hard for the FA to undermine a refs instant decision, & Wallace end up with no card at all, when everyone agrees it was definately a yellow.
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09 November 2017 14:57 Post ID: #1560114 - in reply to #1560068
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Bexleyheath_lion - 9/11/2017 08:31

Steve Kavanagh (this man seems to be doing great things at our club) is seeking a meeting with the FA & PGMOL regarding these absurd decisions that we keep getting against us and why they aren't overturned.

It'll probably be like chatting to a brick wall, but least the man is trying to stick up for us, breath of fresh air.
Like you say it probably won't come to much but at least his having a go i don't see how they never overturned the card yellow at best all day long
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09 November 2017 22:13 Post ID: #1560158 - in reply to #1559923
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Have any of you bothered to ave a look? Wallace went for the player not the ball! Deserved a red
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09 November 2017 23:58 Post ID: #1560160 - in reply to #1560158
lincoldlion - 9/11/2017 22:13

Have any of you bothered to ave a look? Wallace went for the player not the ball! Deserved a red
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10 November 2017 07:06 Post ID: #1560164 - in reply to #1560158
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lincoldlion - 9/11/2017 22:13

Have any of you bothered to ave a look? Wallace went for the player not the ball! Deserved a red


Indeed he did take the player, the problem is that when compared to other tackles it equals a yellow card, or in the case of the Villa player a red is rescinded.

Steve Kavanagh points out on the Talksport interview that if refs adopt this response to tackles of that nature then you will end up eight aside. It is a contact sport after all.
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