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25 November 2017 21:06 Post ID: #1561922 - in reply to #1561908
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Wippa - 25/11/2017 20:02

Whisky, can you recommend a good off the shelf bourbon I can get from a supermarket or high street off license?


Makers Mark isn't bad wippa. Bulleit is really good but I'm not sure whether you can get it in the uk. Bulleit Rye, although Rye and not Bourbon, is fantastic.
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25 November 2017 21:15 Post ID: #1561925 - in reply to #1561922
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King of The Jungle - 25/11/2017 21:06

Wippa - 25/11/2017 20:02

Whisky, can you recommend a good off the shelf bourbon I can get from a supermarket or high street off license?


Makers Mark isn't bad wippa. Bulleit is really good but I'm not sure whether you can get it in the uk. Bulleit Rye, although Rye and not Bourbon, is fantastic.


Thanks King. Think I just saw that Bulleit in Sainsbury’s. Excuse my ignorance, what’s the difference between a rye and a bourbon?
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25 November 2017 21:26 Post ID: #1561927 - in reply to #1561925
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Wippa - 25/11/2017 21:15

King of The Jungle - 25/11/2017 21:06

Wippa - 25/11/2017 20:02

Whisky, can you recommend a good off the shelf bourbon I can get from a supermarket or high street off license?


Makers Mark isn't bad wippa. Bulleit is really good but I'm not sure whether you can get it in the uk. Bulleit Rye, although Rye and not Bourbon, is fantastic.


Thanks King. Think I just saw that Bulleit in Sainsbury’s. Excuse my ignorance, what’s the difference between a rye and a bourbon?


Oh - I'm surprised i didn't think you got it in the uk! Bourbon has to be made with 51% corn, whereas a Rye is made with Rye grain. Rye whiskies are less sweet and more smoky than a bourbon. When whisky gets back on here I'm sure he'll offer much better advice - but i think Bulleit is very good.
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25 November 2017 21:33 Post ID: #1561929 - in reply to #1561838
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Wippa - 25/11/2017 14:16

BigPaul - 25/11/2017 10:37

King of The Jungle - 25/11/2017 09:57

BigPaul - 25/11/2017 08:03

I would have thought that was an easy question for a man of his calibre. Come on Whisky, send that one to the boundary.
Even I'm half interested, and I can't stand whisky.

At least I know for sure where my cognac comes from! :grin:
j

You been watching the ashes BP? I have - i think im homesick. Works out alright here though as starts at 1630 ending around midnight. Good on a day off.


It truly is one of the great pleasures of my life that has been ripped away from me by those bastards at Sky. I used to like nothing more than watching test matches on the telly, sometimes spending whole days wrapped up in the drama of it all.

Many people describe it as completely pointless, a bit like my other great love, angling. But surely, for a leisure pursuit, that is the whole point, isn't it?? To be pointless is sort of the reason for the pleasure.

Anyway, I played club cricket for many years. Never made a hundred (58 top score), but took about 250 catches behind the stumps, including a one handed one when the batsmen was on 99!!!
I refuse to pay a single penny to Sky, so a bit like Millwall with you know who, I am not able to follow the sport in a way I would like to.

KOTJ...Please do not feel bad about re-opening that old wound regarding the cricket. I will get over it in a matter of weeks :grin:


It’s not on Sky, it’s on BT Sport. I added it to my Virgin package just while the ashes are on, £18 a month, no drama.

I’m funny, never really had much interest in cricket but just love the ashes. It’s the history, rivalry, dramas etc love it.

Watched most of it last night. Lots of coffee. Feeling a bit cloudy today. My ‘all-nighter’ days are over. Even if it’s just to watch a bit of cricket lol


My grandad, the same man who took me for the first time to watch his beloved Millwall back in 87, got me interested in cricket. His old man, fondly known as Kosch as was a right Herbert in his day, apparently even used to be a bowler for Surrey as a young man but fucked it off as there was no money in it. A cracking 5 day game against the likes of the Aussies, pisses over football as a game. That said, it could never reach the high of say Cahill’s goal v Sunderland.
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26 November 2017 04:34 Post ID: #1561944 - in reply to #1561908
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Wippa - 25/11/2017 20:02

Whisky, can you recommend a good off the shelf bourbon I can get from a supermarket or high street off license?


Absolutely Wippa.

Buffalo Trace costs five eights of fuck all compared to a single malt of comparative quality yet, if you get a half decent vatting of casks, you'll see the world's greatest distillery at its most effortlessly beautiful.

Ardbeg, Glen Grant, Yamazaki and BT are kind of in a super league of their own. Yet BT just keeps coming out tops overall. There are better bottlings from BT - including the present World Whisky of the Year - but for availability and price...well, enjoy....!!!

Also, if you see it, give Knob Creek from Jim Beam a go. Outstanding.

Rye: minimum 51% rye. Bourbon: min 51% corn. As straight whiskeys, matured in virgin oak.

Rye, for my money, is the most flavoursome of all the world's whiskies. Give them a try.

Better still: whiskybible.com

Order Jim Murray's Whisky Bible 2018 and you'll be well and truly sorted....!!

Also, as a Christmas Present...a signed copy from me is cheaper the buying a bottle of whisky...


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26 November 2017 16:15 Post ID: #1561990 - in reply to #1561811
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Brilliant. Thanks whisky.
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29 November 2017 09:15 Post ID: #1562195 - in reply to #1561832
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whiskylion - 25/11/2017 12:20

King of The Jungle - 25/11/2017 04:36

Do you know which distilleries some of the single malts, badged under strange names, that only seem to be available over here come from? There are a few and compared to your Laphroig, Ardbeg etc are very good value, but rough around the edges... Two which immediately spring to mind are 10 yo Shieldaig (Islay) and 10 yo Glencullen (Speyside). Are these substandard products which are excess to the needs of the major distilleries that are then sold off cheaply and re badged or deliberate recipes distilled on a budget? Cheers.



Morning, KOJ.

The kind of brands you are talking about tend to be owned by Independent bottling companies. They may or may not own a distillery, the whisky from which they sell under the distillery name.

But they may also have large stocks of single malts which they sell under brand names like Shieldaig. That's owned by Ian McLeod, based near Edinburgh airport at Broxburn (former member of the Scottish League). I have done much bending work at their place over the years.

It is not that these whiskies are of inferior quality. There are many poor single malts brought out under the actually distillery name. I have known some of their whiskies to actually be Lagavulin single malt, but they were not allowed to say that as that brand name is owned by Diageo.

What you cannot guarantee is that the malt used in say, McFuckdust's 12-year-old Speyside, will come from the same distillery in five years' time. It is usually to do with availability. A distillery is happy to supply them for several years; then that distillery is taken over or has a sales surge and the supply is cut off. So the brand switches to a similar malt in stock.

Years ago many of these brands used to up the colour by adding caramel. Pleased to say that my constantly marking down in the Whisky Bible of caramel-coloured malts for a while brought a massive reduction to this miserable practice, though it has crept back slightly mainly from companies selling to the overseas markets where the darker the malt, the more prized is is...irrespective of quality...

In Kentucky at the moment, KOJ, visiting some distilleries out here and tasting. So in serious bourbon mode just now...



Well this Glencullen stuff is literally just toffee. First taste toffee. Second massive toffeeand fuck all else. Third same with a hint of apricots. Finish is like that chewy toffee in milk tray... Toffee... What the fuck is it?
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29 November 2017 10:13 Post ID: #1562201 - in reply to #1561811
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K of the J, just man up will yer, now........drink your toffee.
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29 November 2017 12:40 Post ID: #1562212 - in reply to #1562195
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King of The Jungle - 29/11/2017 09:15

whiskylion - 25/11/2017 12:20

King of The Jungle - 25/11/2017 04:36

Do you know which distilleries some of the single malts, badged under strange names, that only seem to be available over here come from? There are a few and compared to your Laphroig, Ardbeg etc are very good value, but rough around the edges... Two which immediately spring to mind are 10 yo Shieldaig (Islay) and 10 yo Glencullen (Speyside). Are these substandard products which are excess to the needs of the major distilleries that are then sold off cheaply and re badged or deliberate recipes distilled on a budget? Cheers.



Morning, KOJ.

The kind of brands you are talking about tend to be owned by Independent bottling companies. They may or may not own a distillery, the whisky from which they sell under the distillery name.

But they may also have large stocks of single malts which they sell under brand names like Shieldaig. That's owned by Ian McLeod, based near Edinburgh airport at Broxburn (former member of the Scottish League). I have done much bending work at their place over the years.

It is not that these whiskies are of inferior quality. There are many poor single malts brought out under the actually distillery name. I have known some of their whiskies to actually be Lagavulin single malt, but they were not allowed to say that as that brand name is owned by Diageo.

What you cannot guarantee is that the malt used in say, McFuckdust's 12-year-old Speyside, will come from the same distillery in five years' time. It is usually to do with availability. A distillery is happy to supply them for several years; then that distillery is taken over or has a sales surge and the supply is cut off. So the brand switches to a similar malt in stock.

Years ago many of these brands used to up the colour by adding caramel. Pleased to say that my constantly marking down in the Whisky Bible of caramel-coloured malts for a while brought a massive reduction to this miserable practice, though it has crept back slightly mainly from companies selling to the overseas markets where the darker the malt, the more prized is is...irrespective of quality...

In Kentucky at the moment, KOJ, visiting some distilleries out here and tasting. So in serious bourbon mode just now...



Well this Glencullen stuff is literally just toffee. First taste toffee. Second massive toffeeand fuck all else. Third same with a hint of apricots. Finish is like that chewy toffee in milk tray... Toffee... What the fuck is it?




Caramel. For the purpose of colouring.

The Scotch whisky industry insist that caramel makes no difference to the nose and taste of whisky. Total bollocks.

By strong coincidence I am training up some of the top blenders in the US at the moment and in an hour's time explaining the evils of caramel. I'm working with the stuff and showing them why it should never be used in whisky. Ever.

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29 November 2017 14:37 Post ID: #1562218 - in reply to #1561811
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Yes. Well this Glencullen stuff doesn't necessarily taste bad - but it just doesn't taste right for a speyside... I expect zest and fragrance from a speyside - maybe lemons or at least citrus, maybe with honey or straw to finish... But this is just toffee...
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29 November 2017 15:52 Post ID: #1562226 - in reply to #1561811
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Caramel Vodka is quite nice.
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01 December 2017 16:02 Post ID: #1562468 - in reply to #1561811
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KOJ, last night I happened to have a private dinner with the CEO of the company responsible for bringing Glencullen into the United States.

You will be pleased to know that I passed on your comments....word for word.

All part of the service, mate....!!
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01 December 2017 22:22 Post ID: #1562505 - in reply to #1562468
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whiskylion - 1/12/2017 16:02

KOJ, last night I happened to have a private dinner with the CEO of the company responsible for bringing Glencullen into the United States.

You will be pleased to know that I passed on your comments....word for word.

All part of the service, mate....!!


Ha! Nice one whisky!
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01 December 2017 22:43 Post ID: #1562507 - in reply to #1561811
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Whiskylion
Can I buy a signed copy of your latest book asap please
It is for Rob
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02 December 2017 03:04 Post ID: #1562513 - in reply to #1562507
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mamalion - 1/12/2017 22:43

Whiskylion
Can I buy a signed copy of your latest book asap please
It is for Rob


I'll sort something out for you when I get back to the UK next week, Mama. It will be a pleasure. And my treat.

If you are in a real hurry and need something immediately then go to whiskybible.com and order from there, though it won't have his name on. But it will be signed.
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03 December 2017 00:05 Post ID: #1562688 - in reply to #1561811
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whisky I'm in no rush Rob came over on a surprise visit for my birthday , it would be nice to have his name on and I told him he was really pleased
Thank you so much
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03 December 2017 21:33 Post ID: #1562799 - in reply to #1561811
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Just been reading about that whisky on sale for £30,000 a bottle.
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