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Millwall Warmly Welcome Holloway....The Film
31 December 2017 12:29 Post ID: #1566230 - in reply to #1566228
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midway lion - 31/12/2017 12:24

I'm getting seriously worried about Boy Adam, all this pumping
chemicals into his body is damaging his mind.
I knew Big Mick quite well back in the day as he was a staunch
supporter of the various friends of Millwall fund raisers dear old
Reggie used to help arrange. Yes, he had a brusque nature and
didn't suffer fools gladly(,perhaps the problem Adam has got with
him ?). Any way, I don't recognise some of the traits Adam is labelling
him with.


Not Boy Adam.

You mean Adam Adamant. Literally.
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31 December 2017 12:46 Post ID: #1566240 - in reply to #1566024
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I've never met him Whisky, has his voice broke yet ?
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31 December 2017 12:56 Post ID: #1566245 - in reply to #1566240
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He is no Prince charming
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31 December 2017 16:54 Post ID: #1566300 - in reply to #1566024
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QPR fans are in a fervour....

They have noticed that Warburton has been given the boot by Nottingham Forest (despite an apparent 40% win rate) and want their chairman to use his loaf and get him in immediately.

A kinds of Warburton-bread related jokes abound (Holloway is toast; Warburton is the best thing since sliced bread etc.).

But thy really hope a return to west London for Warburton is on the cards - and The Insane One will at last receive his...

Having been there, you have to feel for these people...



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31 December 2017 19:45 Post ID: #1566320 - in reply to #1566024
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"When you have mugged self off on coach and your team has not turned up for you last thing I would be doing is drawing more attention to myself; but As said in another post he’s turned into a Diva and it always has to be about him

He wants all the eyes and attention on him and hence explains why he dresses as he is on touchline and acts like a madman waving arms beating chest, it’s because it attracts attention. We don’t have a manager currently we have an entertainer

Bet if you asked him now if he regrets giving up Sky job the answer would be yes as it gave him all the exposure he craves without the stress and pressure"

http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?197415-Olli...
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01 January 2018 00:10 Post ID: #1566348 - in reply to #1566024
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Whisky , your thoughts mirror mine on 'The Clown' , also Adam says he r esp cted the 'Wall supporters. So why then did he dig us out for giving Leeds an hard time and stated we should respect a 'great club like Leeds as they have an admirable history'. Rowlocks :
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01 January 2018 09:55 Post ID: #1566360 - in reply to #1566348
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obeney - 1/1/2018 00:10

Whisky , your thoughts mirror mine on 'The Clown' , also Adam says he r esp cted the 'Wall supporters. So why then did he dig us out for giving Leeds an hard time and stated we should respect a 'great club like Leeds as they have an admirable history'. Rowlocks : :angryred:


https://youtu.be/-oQL-BfafjE

I was going by previous Youtube videos. Where Holloway said it was an 'honour to be here'.

But as has been said, Holloway criticised the fans about Jimmy Saville chants. Probably after journalists asked him about it.

In my view Big Mick slated the fans & club much more, usually unprovoked. Even getting a Millwall fan ejected from the ground. He never showed any gratitued at being Millwall manager or has praised us since leaving.

Some fans like Big Mick because he's a 'good bloke' & has managed other decent clubs. I prefer to go by his managerial record at Millwall.
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01 January 2018 10:09 Post ID: #1566365 - in reply to #1566360
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Millwalladam - 1/1/2018 09:55

obeney - 1/1/2018 00:10

Whisky , your thoughts mirror mine on 'The Clown' , also Adam says he r esp cted the 'Wall supporters. So why then did he dig us out for giving Leeds an hard time and stated we should respect a 'great club like Leeds as they have an admirable history'. Rowlocks : :angryred:


https://youtu.be/-oQL-BfafjE

I was going by previous Youtube videos. Where Holloway said it was an 'honour to be here'.

But as has been said, Holloway criticised the fans about Jimmy Saville chants. Probably after journalists asked him about it.

In my view Big Mick slated the fans & club much more, usually unprovoked. Even getting a Millwall fan ejected from the ground. He never showed any gratitued at being Millwall manager or has praised us since leaving.

Some fans like Big Mick because he's a 'good bloke' & has managed other decent clubs. I prefer to go by his managerial record at Millwall.


OK. Let's go by his managerial record at Millwall, then, Adam.

By that criteria alone, McCarthy wins by a landslide: the Insane One isn't even close.

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01 January 2018 10:21 Post ID: #1566368 - in reply to #1566024
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It would seem that QPR supporters have been slowly questioning Holloways tactics and management style for a couple of months. Or at least since team selection lost all logic, along with results dipping.

I'm not sure they fully understood our feelings towards him or the detail of that dislike. Friday and his subsequent reaction (instant gram) has brought that into shape focus. Whiskys detailed explanation of events has been reproduced (cut & pasted) on their forum.

Everything is always dependent upon results, however I feel this is the end game for him.
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01 January 2018 11:37 Post ID: #1566379 - in reply to #1566024
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The official squad Big Mick inherited included -

Keller
Branagan
Cunningham
Dawes
Thatcher
Cooper
McCleary
Roberts
Stevens
Thompson
Rae
Verveer
Kennedy
Mcglasgen
Bogie
Paul Kerr
Stephenson
Barber
Armstrong
Mcginley
Malcolm Allen
Goodman

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A lot of Championship and top flight experience together with young players coming through.

Most importantly all were good players & all under 30. Only 3 of the above squad never played in the top flight during their careers.

Any manager that got the best out of those players over the next couple of years, as Mcghee did with a different squad, & surely promotion would follow.

My team from the above would be -

Keller

Cunningham
Cooper
Roberts
Thatcher

Kerr
Verveer
Rae
Stephenson

Mcginley
Armstrong

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However this team is also good -

Branagan

Stevens
McCleary
Thompson
Dawes

Barber
Mcglasgen
Bogie
Kennedy

Goodman
Allen

...............

Two completely different teams.

Several of the squad were versatile. However two or three good signings would have bolstered the squad to the required 20+ players. Getting Collymore instead of Moralee would have been a good start.

To be fair Big Mick did increase the squad size. To 40+ players.

Edited by Millwalladam 1/1/2018 15:38
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02 January 2018 11:37 Post ID: #1566511 - in reply to #1566024
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In my view Big Mick inherited the clubs best ever squad since I have been going to games. So a breakdown of what happened to the squad needs to be made.

Why was the aftermath of his 4 years relegation, administration, nearly relegation to league 2, the club one hour from being shut down & 5 years in league 1 ?

Players who stayed for all of Big Mick's tenure:

Keller
Thatcher
Stevens
Rae


Players who were let go so Big Mick could bring in his own players:

Branagan
Dawes
McCleary
Thompson
Verveer
Mcglasgen
Bogie
Kerr
Stephenson
Barber
Allen
Mcginley

Players sold to balance the books & to release funds for new signings:

Cunningham
Cooper
Roberts
Kennedy
Goodman
Armstrong

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The 11 players released had all proven themselves good Championship players. Some had also played well in the top flight & some went on to become top flight players. They were all in their 20's so with the right mamagement would have improved.

The players sold for a combined total of around 7 million were sold on the instruction of the chairman. All of these players gave Big Mick between 1-3 years good service before being sold (except Armstrong). A lot of the money received was given back to Big Mick & he spent nearly 4 million in transfer fees & several more million on free transfers. Signing over 50 players.

It seems the problem was the signings made by Big Mick were very very poor. A list of his signings is on a previous page of this thread. A lot of non league players & players well into their 30's were signed. While players such as Lavin, Newman, Berry & Fuchs were not worth their fees.

Big Mick's inexperience was also a problem. With strange tactics, formations & players played out of position. The squad size increased to 40+ players & there was always a long list of injured players collecting big wages.

Big Mick's poor relationship with the fans didn't help as performances got worse. Fans getting more frustrated & Big Mick reacting to criticism.

So generally big under performance all round from Big Mick which resulted in under performance from the players. Even the good players. .

A Jacket or Mcghee type manager would have been better after Rioch left. But as soon as Reg Burr made Big Mick caretaker manager, everyone knew he was here for the long haul.

Edited by Millwalladam 2/1/2018 12:45
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02 January 2018 12:12 Post ID: #1566514 - in reply to #1566024
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Surely the best squad we ever had was from 1937 to 1940, Adam

Had our own current England international winger, JR Smith.

Goalkeeper Pearson had an England cap and had won the FA Cup with West Brom.

Mangnall had been only second to Dixie Dean in the First Division goalscoring charts a few seasons before.

Jimmy Richardson had scored twice in his two England appearances and had previously played all his football in the top flight. He played in Newcastle's famous FA Cup final win over Arsenal and married at the Den aged just 26.

Tommy Inns was a superb all back who had been called into the England squad.

And there were many more. Had war not broken out, chances are we would have been in the old First Division by 1941, and there to stay. This really was a multi-talented squad.

There was a reason we were attracting over 30,000 a game in those days, Adam.

As I've said before: Millwall's history didn't begin when you first breezed into Cold Blow Lane...

EDIT: Well done with the Edit there, Adam...!! Good lad!!





Edited by whiskylion 2/1/2018 12:23
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02 January 2018 12:22 Post ID: #1566517 - in reply to #1566024
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I've just amended the first paragraph of my last post to include 'since I have been going to games'.

Millwall squads from the decades leading up to the 80's may have been better than the 1991 squad above.
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02 January 2018 12:53 Post ID: #1566528 - in reply to #1566024
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A comparable squad to the 1991 squad since I have been going to games is Docherty's promotion winning squad.

The main difference here is Docherty inherited a tiny & poor squad. He built it up to a promotion winning squad in 2 years. Only spending around 600k.
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