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02 January 2018 20:06 Post ID: #1566575 - in reply to #1566507
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Whisky's got a counter argument to most points.

Earlier today he disagreed that Big Mick inherited Millwall's best ever squad. What was a better squad ? The 1937 - 40 squad of course. As Rigsby says 'if it wasn't for the war...'

Now 1975/6 is getting a mention.

Edited by Millwalladam 2/1/2018 20:07
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02 January 2018 20:24 Post ID: #1566577 - in reply to #1566507
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Squads too small to not be a bit worried about a cup run that could give us suspensions, injuries etc. The beauty of the FA Cup is one thing, survival in the championship with so much money coming into it over the next few years is another.

Heart says play our best team, head says rest the key players and keep them fit.
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02 January 2018 20:25 Post ID: #1566578 - in reply to #1566575
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Its difficult to keep up Adam.
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02 January 2018 21:18 Post ID: #1566584 - in reply to #1566572
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King of The Jungle - 2/1/2018 19:48

It'll be a sad day when we put out a weakened side for the FA Cup. It's the FA Cup for gods sake! Besides - we had a pretty good cup run last year and it doesn't appear to have adversely affected our league form considering we got promoted!


King you were at Bristol for the last game of the league, you saw how close we came to not making that last play off spot. Not saying this was the cup run, however it was a close run thing.
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02 January 2018 21:44 Post ID: #1566586 - in reply to #1566571
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whiskylion - 2/1/2018 19:39

FireWall - 2/1/2018 18:55

I'm not sure it is Bertie big anymore. We've just played 4 games in 10-11 days with a small squad, or 7 games in 30 days using the same 14/15 players. Add to this our high intensity game and we will need to rest players. Most of the other teams, not all, have larger squads and rotate their players, look at Norwich, half their players hadn't played the game before us.

Ask NH or most of the supporters, do you want a cup run or to be playing in the championship next season? Both of course is the answer, it is a risk though.

I know it shouldn't be like this, however clubs looking for promotion, automatic or play offs, teams looking to avoid relegation will sacrifice the FA cup.


Sorry, mate. Don't buy into that.

Back in 1975/76 season Jago played exactly the same closing down tactics - actually possibly an even fiercer version because both strikers were told to chase and harry. Yet we played Palace in the cup on the 13th and 16th Dec, same opponents again in the League on the 20th, then at Peterborough on the 26th and home to Swindon on the 27th. Basically, five games in two weeks - three against the then League leaders. Then finished the season with three games - and wins - in five days to clinch promotion.

Our squad then was, if anything, smaller than now and only one sub was allowed, so the workload was much greater. Oh, and more football was played then because there were fewer stoppages (a statistical fact), with less time taken for free kicks, goal-kicks throw-ins etc.

Just get on with it: it is a first team competition, people are paying good money and giving up their valuable time. So play the bloody first team.



Sorry Whisky I don't buy that 40 years ago we only had one sub ran around a lot and played with injuries, man up and get on with it. . Bit like me getting beaten at school by sadistic teachers, 'it didn't do me no harm' .

I've too often heard the references to the old days and what players had to go through, it don't wash. I don't know the distance Meredith is putting in over 90 mins, possibly 12 km or there abouts, Harry Cripps (love him) didn't put that sort of shift in. It’s a fact that everything is measured, checked, recorded. VO2 max-maximum volume oxygen uptake came in long ago, BMI, diet, it goes on and on, players are operating at their peak, flat out, this actually results in injuries. Did you ever hear of a player getting injured in the warm up back then.

Jago's team was better than the current one and they ploughed through their games and had success. They were smoking cigarettes and sinking pints of beer and doing very well for it, not sure they would last in todays game, the speed and athleticism would leave them second best.
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02 January 2018 21:44 Post ID: #1566587 - in reply to #1566575
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Millwalladam - 2/1/2018 20:06

Whisky's got a counter argument to most points.

Earlier today he disagreed that Big Mick inherited Millwall's best ever squad. What was a better squad ? The 1937 - 40 squad of course. As Rigsby says 'if it wasn't for the war...'

Now 1975/6 is getting a mention.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmaZiL440n4
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02 January 2018 22:22 Post ID: #1566590 - in reply to #1566584
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FireWall - 2/1/2018 21:18

King of The Jungle - 2/1/2018 19:48

It'll be a sad day when we put out a weakened side for the FA Cup. It's the FA Cup for gods sake! Besides - we had a pretty good cup run last year and it doesn't appear to have adversely affected our league form considering we got promoted!


King you were at Bristol for the last game of the league, you saw how close we came to not making that last play off spot. Not saying this was the cup run, however it was a close run thing.


Agree Fire we were very fortunate to get away with it at Bristol last season. Also, did our form not tail off when our cup run came to an end?

With Birmingham winning this evening the gap between us and the relegation zone has narrowed frighteningly in the last few days. Staying in the Championship has to be our priority.

It'll be interesting to see Barnsley's approach to our game. If they go in with the remaining in the Championship is more important than an FA Cup run attitude we could end up watching Millwall Reserves v Barnsley's Reserves!

Don't think wholesale changes should be made but I would like to see McLaughlin, Martin and Thommo get a run-out on Saturday. This could be accommodated without seriously weakening the team.

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02 January 2018 22:30 Post ID: #1566592 - in reply to #1566507
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He should take it deeply seriously but use it to give the fringe players a chance to shine
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02 January 2018 22:48 Post ID: #1566595 - in reply to #1566590
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PurleyLion - 2/1/2018 22:22

FireWall - 2/1/2018 21:18

King of The Jungle - 2/1/2018 19:48

It'll be a sad day when we put out a weakened side for the FA Cup. It's the FA Cup for gods sake! Besides - we had a pretty good cup run last year and it doesn't appear to have adversely affected our league form considering we got promoted!


King you were at Bristol for the last game of the league, you saw how close we came to not making that last play off spot. Not saying this was the cup run, however it was a close run thing.


Agree Fire we were very fortunate to get away with it at Bristol last season. Also, did our form not tail off when our cup run came to an end?

With Birmingham winning this evening the gap between us and the relegation zone has narrowed frighteningly in the last few days. Staying in the Championship has to be our priority.

It'll be interesting to see Barnsley's approach to our game. If they go in with the remaining in the Championship is more important than an FA Cup run attitude we could end up watching Millwall Reserves v Barnsley's Reserves!

Don't think wholesale changes should be made but I would like to see McLaughlin, Martin and Thommo get a run-out on Saturday. This could be accommodated without seriously weakening the team.



There is not going to be a Rotherham, Wigan or Yeovil this season.

Birmingham, Burton, Sunderland & Bolton will be fighting until the last game. And so will the rest of the teams in the bottom half.
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02 January 2018 23:21 Post ID: #1566597 - in reply to #1566507
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I've never known a season were we seem to be getting good results but still down in relegation fight! Too many drawers I guess
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03 January 2018 02:57 Post ID: #1566602 - in reply to #1566584
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FireWall - 2/1/2018 21:18

King of The Jungle - 2/1/2018 19:48

It'll be a sad day when we put out a weakened side for the FA Cup. It's the FA Cup for gods sake! Besides - we had a pretty good cup run last year and it doesn't appear to have adversely affected our league form considering we got promoted!


King you were at Bristol for the last game of the league, you saw how close we came to not making that last play off spot. Not saying this was the cup run, however it was a close run thing.


I take your point FW but not convinced the ''close run thing" was a direct result of the cup run; furthermore I don't consider a cup run would necessarily be detrimental to league form - i think winning is a habit when you go on a run. Yes of course you are right in that the physical demands of the modern game are greater than in times gone by - but also footballers are much better prepared and conditioned to cope with these demands. I think the more we talk about squad rotation and winter breaks the more we make a self-prophesising reality where we give players an easy out for under performing. I see no reason why a professional athlete should not be able to cope with the demands of league and fa cup. I do agree that there is a risk of player injury... But unfortunately that's just how it is.
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03 January 2018 04:06 Post ID: #1566605 - in reply to #1566507
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A question to NH, what has Thompson done so wrong ?. The few times he's been on as sub he has inserted energy, aggression, and played well.

NH states in his interview after Norwich that Gregory was injured before the game with a painful back and stiff neck but he chose to pick him in the knowledge he wouldn't last. You can't keep doing that IMO, its naive management that could risk a longterm injury. OK that would of meant playing either AOB, Fred or Smith up top with Morison, but these decisions have to be made at times and tactics altered accordingly.

The 2nd half against Norwich was crying out for Thompson, Saville's legs had gone, Williams was clearly struggling and he knew Gregory would have to come off. Their midfield were stroking it about and that needed someone to break it up, stop the flow and win back possession.

Naive management decisions on selection and tactics IMO.

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03 January 2018 12:45 Post ID: #1566636 - in reply to #1566605
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play strongest team , wins breed confidence, so why put out a weakened side, if we pick up injuries then the yank can dip into his wallet and spare us a fiver
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03 January 2018 13:45 Post ID: #1566648 - in reply to #1566507
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I don't buy into all this 'It's only the F.A.Cup' stuff. It might not mean much to the likes of Man Uniteds' of this world but it still does to me. As stated previously winning is a habit, they're footballers not hod carriers or trawlermen.
Get on with it...
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03 January 2018 13:49 Post ID: #1566650 - in reply to #1566648
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problem is the yorkshire shit stinking cunts have a habit of beating us, mouldy fucking cunts
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04 January 2018 19:03 Post ID: #1566801 - in reply to #1566577
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Rest the entire first team, We don't need a cup run this season, Anyway we might win
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04 January 2018 19:32 Post ID: #1566803 - in reply to #1566507
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Difficult one, we can't afford any more injuries, and any cup run is just a laugh as we won't make the final, but it can earn us money and that elusive dream of a big team we hate at home.
The championship though is great for us and has to be a priority. I'd say tho just fuckin go for it and not worry about anything, a good side should always strive to win every game, otherwise the paying fans are being cheated.
Looking forward to the 4th round draw and a top 6 premshit team at home
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