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07 January 2018 18:59 Post ID: #1567250
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On an earlier thread I made the point that Millwall, as a Southern League club, were quality-wise on a par with the Football League 2nd Division.

People today - including the media, sadly - think the Southern League then had the same status as today. It didn't: it was a southern version of the Football League.

Here are Millwall's results, as a Southern League club, against Football League Division 2 (now Championship) clubs.

1894/95
Liverpool (a) 1-4 (Liverpool went on to walk Div 2 as champions winning 14 and drawing 1 of their 15 home league games, scoring 65 times and conceding 11. Eight of their 15 home League games ended in them scoring 4 goals or more).
1896/97
Woolwich Arsenal (h) 4-2
1902/03
Preston North End (h) 4-1
1904/05
Bradford City (h) 4-1
1909/10
Derby County (a) 0-5 (Derby's home League record: won 15, drew 2, lost 2)
1914/15
Clapton Orient (h) 2-1

Overall record:
Home P4 w4 d0 L0 f14-a5
Away P2 w0 d0 L2 f1-a9

Total:
P6 w4 d0 L2 f15-a14.

So that was not giant-killing. Beating First Division clubs, however, unquestionably was. As was a Div 2 club doing likewise.

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07 January 2018 19:35 Post ID: #1567256 - in reply to #1567250
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How do you think the 1899-1900 team, which beat the mighty Aston Villa of the era, would have faired in Division One?
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07 January 2018 19:58 Post ID: #1567258 - in reply to #1567256
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Moody - 7/1/2018 19:35

How do you think the 1899-1900 team, which beat the mighty Aston Villa of the era, would have faired in Division One?


We unquestionably had some talent in that side, Moody - including Bertie Banks who went on to become Millwall's first-ever England international.

My feeling is that they would have been there or there abouts amongst the relegation fighters. Glossop were a very poor team and we would have finished above those. But it would have been a tight-run thing to overcome struggling Burnley, Notts Co and Preston. I think we would have done it though - just.
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07 January 2018 20:12 Post ID: #1567260 - in reply to #1567250
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I would imagine (a bit like most of our history) our home form would have been good - with all those northern and Midlands sides not enjoyinh the trip to the island.
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07 January 2018 20:53 Post ID: #1567262 - in reply to #1567260
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Moody - 7/1/2018 20:12

I would imagine (a bit like most of our history) our home form would have been good - with all those northern and Midlands sides not enjoyinh the trip to the island.


No luxury cars/coaches, so I guess it was steam train to Kings Cross/St Pancras/Euston and underground and/or horse and cart to the island. After a journey like that I imagine they just wanted to get the game over and done with and get back home!
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08 January 2018 00:22 Post ID: #1567286 - in reply to #1567250
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Never mind all that.
Who did the “just back’s” in those days?
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08 January 2018 02:55 Post ID: #1567288 - in reply to #1567250
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Horse and cart, stick your boats and airships up your arse, 500 Millwall arriving by carriage...
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08 January 2018 03:33 Post ID: #1567289 - in reply to #1567286
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onlyagame - 8/1/2018 00:22

Never mind all that.
Who did the “just back’s” in those days?


Silver.

He had originally retired in 1905, but was talked into returning - and been with us ever since.
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08 January 2018 08:55 Post ID: #1567294 - in reply to #1567256
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Moody - 7/1/2018 19:35

How do you think the 1899-1900 team, which beat the mighty Aston Villa of the era, would have faired in Division One?


On my dad's side of the family, I'm related to Billy Garraty, who played for The Villa from 1897-1906.

He played against us in the Cup, both home and away and the decider at Reading which we won 2-1.

Pretty impressive stuff by 'Wall - given Villa were one of the Top Clubs at the time.

The only downside is that cunt Jack Grealish, through the family connection, is my cousin, five times removed!



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08 January 2018 10:17 Post ID: #1567297 - in reply to #1567294
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ParisWall - 8/1/2018 08:55

Moody - 7/1/2018 19:35

How do you think the 1899-1900 team, which beat the mighty Aston Villa of the era, would have faired in Division One?


On my dad's side of the family, I'm related to Billy Garraty, who played for The Villa from 1897-1906.

He played against us in the Cup, both home and away and the decider at Reading which we won 2-1.

Pretty impressive stuff by 'Wall - given Villa were one of the Top Clubs at the time.

The only downside is that cunt Jack Grealish, through the family connection, is my cousin, five times removed!





One of? They were the top side by some distance!

Your relation must have been very good - Villa were champions in 1894, 1896, 1897, 1899 and 1900; as well as FA Cup winners in 1895, 1897 (so, double winners) and 1905.

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08 January 2018 10:47 Post ID: #1567300 - in reply to #1567297
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Moody - 8/1/2018 10:17

ParisWall - 8/1/2018 08:55

Moody - 7/1/2018 19:35

How do you think the 1899-1900 team, which beat the mighty Aston Villa of the era, would have faired in Division One?


On my dad's side of the family, I'm related to Billy Garraty, who played for The Villa from 1897-1906.

He played against us in the Cup, both home and away and the decider at Reading which we won 2-1.

Pretty impressive stuff by 'Wall - given Villa were one of the Top Clubs at the time.

The only downside is that cunt Jack Grealish, through the family connection, is my cousin, five times removed!





One of? They were the top side by some distance!

Your relation must have been very good - Villa were champions in 1894, 1896, 1897, 1899 and 1900; as well as FA Cup winners in 1895, 1897 (so, double winners) and 1905.


Yes Moody - I think he got one England Cap - although, he must have had a stinker, never recalled!

One of my greatest memories as a kid in the mid-Fifties, was seeing his medal collection at my Grandmother's house.

I think an uncle had left them at my Gran's for me to look at.

They were in a Mahogany case, lined in maroon velvet, about 16"x12" and 3 inches deep with a hinged lid.

Each medal was recessed into the case: I remember that were FA Cup Winners and Runners-up medals and a couple of League Winners.

You can imagine for a young kid it was a pretty overwhelming sight.

Whatever happened to the case, I've no idea.

None of my dad's family are around to ask - the Uncle who brought them to my Gran's that day had a couple of sons who emigrated to Australia in the early Sixties, perhaps they ended up in Oz.

To a collector, I'd imagine the individual medals would tot-up to a few thousand quid.

I'd love to track them down, just to have another look.


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08 January 2018 11:58 Post ID: #1567308 - in reply to #1567294
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ParisWall - 8/1/2018 08:55

Moody - 7/1/2018 19:35

How do you think the 1899-1900 team, which beat the mighty Aston Villa of the era, would have faired in Division One?


On my dad's side of the family, I'm related to Billy Garraty, who played for The Villa from 1897-1906.

He played against us in the Cup, both home and away and the decider at Reading which we won 2-1.

Pretty impressive stuff by 'Wall - given Villa were one of the Top Clubs at the time.

The only downside is that cunt Jack Grealish, through the family connection, is my cousin, five times removed!



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Billy Garraty - a kind of descendent of Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid...

Know enough of Villa's history to be aware that until Billy Walker and Pongo Waring wore the claret and blue a generation later, Garraty was regarded as the goalscoring god of Villa Park. Massively influential player for them.

Those medals are worth a small fortune, by the way....his FA Cup Final medal would fetch around £25,000 for a start...

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08 January 2018 12:04 Post ID: #1567310 - in reply to #1567250
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No wonder the relatives haven't let him anywhere near them
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08 January 2018 12:24 Post ID: #1567313 - in reply to #1567308
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whiskylion - 8/1/2018 11:58

ParisWall - 8/1/2018 08:55

Moody - 7/1/2018 19:35

How do you think the 1899-1900 team, which beat the mighty Aston Villa of the era, would have faired in Division One?


On my dad's side of the family, I'm related to Billy Garraty, who played for The Villa from 1897-1906.

He played against us in the Cup, both home and away and the decider at Reading which we won 2-1.

Pretty impressive stuff by 'Wall - given Villa were one of the Top Clubs at the time.

The only downside is that cunt Jack Grealish, through the family connection, is my cousin, five times removed!



:sadno:



Billy Garraty - a kind of descendent of Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid...

Know enough of Villa's history to be aware that until Billy Walker and Pongo Waring wore the claret and blue a generation later, Garraty was regarded as the goalscoring god of Villa Park. Massively influential player for them.

Those medals are worth a small fortune, by the way....his FA Cup Final medal would fetch around £25,000 for a start...



Amazing amount, Whisky.

My dad, as a kid, recalled him running a Pub near Villa Park; may have been The Holt.

But, sadly, Billy ended-up delivering beer around Birmingham for Ansells Brewery.

Can you imagine the Prima-donnas of today delivering Domino's Pizza after their careers come to an end?

I suppose the bloke earned very little during is playing days and even less after.





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09 January 2018 08:14 Post ID: #1567447 - in reply to #1567310
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midway lion - 8/1/2018 12:04

No wonder the relatives haven't let him anywhere near them :hihi:


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